Joe,<br><br><br>Understood. No problem at all.<br><br><br>Regards,<br><br>Rodrigo<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Joe Julian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joe@julianfamily.org" target="_blank">joe@julianfamily.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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I apologize. I normally tend to try to be much more eloquent with my
debates. <br>
<br>
I woke up this morning to learn that the CentOS 6.4 rollout broke
all my end-user stations (yes, I have to do automatic updates. I
just don't have time to review every package and do everything else
I need to do all by my self). Put 200 employees without computers on
my shoulders and I tend to stress a little until it's resolved. <br>
<br>
I took a pot shot and it was uncalled for.<br>
<br>
Please forgive me.<div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>On 03/11/2013 12:10 PM, Rodrigo Severo
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Joe
Julian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joe@julianfamily.org" target="_blank">joe@julianfamily.org</a>></span>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Which is why we don't
run Rodigux</div>
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Oh Joe, that remark sounds rather inappropriate to me.<br>
<br>
Apparently we disagree on more levels that just kernel and
applications compatibility policies.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Rodrigo Severo<br>
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On 03/11/2013 12:02 PM, Rodrigo Severo wrote:<br>
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PM, Bryan Whitehead <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:driver@megahappy.net" target="_blank">driver@megahappy.net</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">This is clearly something Linus
should support (forcing ext4 fix). There is an
ethos Linus always champions and that is *never*
break userspace. NEVER. Clearly this ext4 change
has broken userspace. GlusterFS is not in the
kernel at all and this change has broken it.</div>
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Apparently one year after the change having made
into the kernel you believe this argument is still
relevant. I don't, really don't.<br>
<br>
<br>
Rodrigo Severo<br>
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<div>On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:34 AM,
Rodrigo Severo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rodrigo@fabricadeideias.com" target="_blank">rodrigo@fabricadeideias.com</a>></span>
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<div>If you prefer to say that Linus
recent statement isn't pertinent to
Gluster x ext4 issue (as I do), or that
ext4 developers are being
hypocritical/ignoring Linus orientation
(as you do) or anything similar isn't
really relevant any more.<br>
<br>
This argument could have been important
in March 2012, the month the ext4 change
as applied. Today, March 2013, or
Gluster devs decides to assume it's
incompatible with ext4 and states it
clearly in it's installations and
migration documentation, or fixes it's
current issues with ext4. No matter what
is done, it should have been done months
ago.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Rodrigo Severo
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar
11, 2013 at 2:49 PM, John Mark
Walker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnmark@redhat.com" target="_blank">johnmark@redhat.com</a>></span>
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I
know where this
statement came from. I
believe you are both:<br>
<ul>
<li>trying to apply
some statement on a
context it's not
pertinent to and <br>
</li>
</ul>
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No, it's actually quite
applicable. I'm aware of the
context of that statement by
Linus, and it applies to
this case. Kernel devs, at
least the ext4 maintainers,
are being hypocritical. <br>
<br>
There were a few exchanges
between Ted T'so and Avati,
among other people, on
gluster-devel. I highly
recommend you read them: <br>
<a href="http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gluster-devel/2013-02/msg00050.html" target="_blank">http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gluster-devel/2013-02/msg00050.html</a>
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<ul>
<li>fouling yourself
and/or others
arguing that this
issue will/should be
fixed in the kernel.</li>
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This is probably true. I'm
*this* close to declaring
that, at least for the
Gluster community, ext4 is
considered harmful. There's
a reason Red Hat started
pushing XFS over ext4 a few
years ago. <br>
<br>
And Red Hat isn't alone
here. <br>
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The ext4 hash size
change was applied in
the kernel an year ago.
I don't believe it will
be undone. Gluster
developers could argue
that this change was
hard on them, and that
it shouldn't be
backported to Enterprise
kernels but after one
year not having fixed it
is on Gluster
developers. Arguing
otherwise seems rather
foolish to me.<br>
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I think that's a legitimate
argument to make. This is a
conversation that is worth
taking up on gluster-devel.
But I'm not sure what can be
done about it, seeing as how
the ext4 maintainers are not
likely to make the change. <br>
<br>
Frankly, dropping ext4 as an
FS we can recommend solves a
lot of headaches. <br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
-JM<br>
<br>
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