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Which is why we don't run Rodigux<br>
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On 03/11/2013 12:02 PM, Rodrigo Severo wrote:<br>
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Whitehead <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div dir="ltr">This is clearly something Linus should support
(forcing ext4 fix). There is an ethos Linus always champions
and that is *never* break userspace. NEVER. Clearly this
ext4 change has broken userspace. GlusterFS is not in the
kernel at all and this change has broken it.</div>
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Apparently one year after the change having made into the
kernel you believe this argument is still relevant. I don't,
really don't.<br>
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Rodrigo Severo<br>
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<div class="h5">On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:34 AM,
Rodrigo Severo <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div class="h5">If you prefer to say that Linus recent
statement isn't pertinent to Gluster x ext4 issue
(as I do), or that ext4 developers are being
hypocritical/ignoring Linus orientation (as you do)
or anything similar isn't really relevant any more.<br>
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This argument could have been important in March
2012, the month the ext4 change as applied. Today,
March 2013, or Gluster devs decides to assume it's
incompatible with ext4 and states it clearly in it's
installations and migration documentation, or fixes
it's current issues with ext4. No matter what is
done, it should have been done months ago.<br>
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Regards,<br>
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Rodrigo Severo
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2:49 PM, John Mark Walker <span dir="ltr"><<a
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I know where this statement came
from. I believe you are both:<br>
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No, it's actually quite applicable. I'm
aware of the context of that statement
by Linus, and it applies to this case.
Kernel devs, at least the ext4
maintainers, are being hypocritical. <br>
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There were a few exchanges between Ted
T'so and Avati, among other people, on
gluster-devel. I highly recommend you
read them: <br>
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<li>fouling yourself and/or others
arguing that this issue
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This is probably true. I'm *this* close
to declaring that, at least for the
Gluster community, ext4 is considered
harmful. There's a reason Red Hat
started pushing XFS over ext4 a few
years ago. <br>
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And Red Hat isn't alone here. <br>
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The ext4 hash size change was
applied in the kernel an year ago. I
don't believe it will be undone.
Gluster developers could argue that
this change was hard on them, and
that it shouldn't be backported to
Enterprise kernels but after one
year not having fixed it is on
Gluster developers. Arguing
otherwise seems rather foolish to
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I think that's a legitimate argument to
make. This is a conversation that is
worth taking up on gluster-devel. But
I'm not sure what can be done about it,
seeing as how the ext4 maintainers are
not likely to make the change. <br>
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Frankly, dropping ext4 as an FS we can
recommend solves a lot of headaches. <br>
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-JM<br>
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